Revolver or Pistol

[vjha55]

Dear Abijit,

I really appreciate your detailed anlysis on this page as on most others. But careful reading of your lines again leaves one with one simple conclusion--- pistol is suceptible to jamming, which is true even for imported ones. Well,of course, with IOF ammunitions situation is horrible.
Question of more firepowers (capacity), ease or otherwise of handling etc are of secondary importance . First and foremost should be when I fire it must fire-- without doubt in mind. It is then that you carry a firearm with confidence.

All this boils down to one simple conclusion: have revolver, no pistol. Fascination for elegance and so on may cost one his/her life.


Regards
Vjha

[OverUnderPump]

except for look and elegence pistol has nothing to offer when it comes to security. Revolver should be the only option for the intelligent ones.

Unrelenting hmmm.
Even though its too early for Christmas Gifts.
May the kind lord 'make available' a snub nose .357 Magnum and a M1911A1 for you. Use em' both and discard the one that you like least.

[vjha55]

Well, you have not been convincing. Cite reasons to make me think otherwise dear.

[cottage cheese]

Well, you have not been convincing. Cite reasons to make me think otherwise dear.

Have what you want buddy. In the end, what you're comfortable with is THE piece. Nothing childish or showoffy about the other preference.

As I perceive now, Colt, Browning, Glock, Beretta, Walther, SIG...etc are simply wasting everybody's time and money.

I wouldn't want to be fumbling around trying to refill a 'six in the middle of a firefight. Even less if the poerson on the other end is energetically trying to hose you down with a pistol.

My personal choice have always been pistols though I'm not averse to revolvers if I'd no choice.

[vjha55]

If ease of reloading is the plus point in pistol, then revolver with speedloader has the answer for you. You know, it is just showing off dear that makes you carry pistol-------------safey aspect should be the overriding reason for any firearm.

[cottage cheese]

If ease of reloading is the plus point in pistol, then revolver with speedloader has the answer for you. You know, it is just showing off dear that makes you carry pistol-------------safey aspect should be the overriding reason for any firearm.

Certainly speed loaders 'speed-up' your reload. No question about that. But they are not entirely as robust as magazines. and remember its only 5-6 rounds most of the time. Pistols jam- not often. Revolvers fail too on occasion....They aren't as weather/dirt proof as pistols(apart from the likes of the Luger). Lots of small fussy parts dependent on careful placement and movement.

How much safer is a Revolver against a modern pistol now that you mention safety?
A revolver has no external safety(other than some oddballs) Most simply have a firing pin block out... fine... but which works only when the trigger is not depressed. Since most modern revolvers are Double Action, all a user has to do is squeeze the trigger and fire. There is no device to block an inadvertent or unintentional actuation. Certainly they are not unsafe - it is on the user to exercise safe use.

Pistols are also mostly dependent on the safe usage by the user. However the odds of accidental or negligent discharge is reduced with numerous (and reliable) safety mechanisms like safety catch, half cock, magazine lock out, firing pin block, firing pin offsetting....etc. Plus a pistol is safe unless a round is chambered by manual cycling of the slide. A revolver once loaded is always unsafe. Imagine keeping a loaded one lying around inquisitive children. Most younger children lack the strength to rack the slide of an automatic...of course thats not to say one should leave any kind of loaded gun within the reach of children... My point is a pistol needs a number of deliberate and separate manual operation to render it loaded and 'unsafe'. A loaded revolver is just that - loaded....and all one needs to do is pull the trigger.

As I see, a revolver is an inherently unsafe design.

Of course, all the above drivel is relevant if safety is the overriding consideration. And of course even the safest firearm will be unsafe in the hands of morons and half-wits, which I think you are not.

Like I said, my personal choice is a Pistol. That's my prerogative backed with reasons that are my own and I certainly think calling me a show off for doing so is somewhat uncivil and unprovoked.

If you like a revolver, then like it. You have your reasons. No one will call you an idiot or something lowly for doing so.

[vjha55]

You know inside your heart what you are doing----whether showing off or not. When I said safety aspect, what I meant was no jamming kind of problem in revolver. evenif a shot is missed, another is ready. So far as safety from your point of view is concerned, well revolver is far more safe if first shot is kept empty.
As to mine being uncivil or provoking, I am sorry if I do. But I believe in calling a spade a spade. I dont fool around and beat around the bush.
Primary purpose of owning a firearms is selfdefense -----------and revolver does it unfailingly while pistol does not inspire that much confidence.
If one keeps for status symbol, I am afraid I may sound hurting.

[cottage cheese]

You know inside your heart what you are doing----whether showing off or not.

Which means you still think I and a lot of other folks are showing off.
Well continue to live in your misery. I wont drag it further bhai.

When I said safety aspect, what I meant was no jamming kind of problem in revolver. evenif a shot is missed, another is ready.

You seem to be convinced thats the overriding consideration of a handgun. Good for you. I suppose your idea of a pistol is of fair vintage. Technology advances and evolves.

So far as safety from your point of view is concerned, well revolver is far more safe if first shot is kept empty.

That would leave you dancing with five shots and an accidental discharge one squeeze away. With no physical block of the trigger movement, an indexed empty chamber is just as unsafe.

As to mine being uncivil or provoking, I am sorry if I do. But I believe in calling a spade a spade. I dont fool around and beat around the bush.

Ah! You must be mighty proud of yourself! ...
Well, I am civil when needed and when needed I too can call a spade a spade... and this thread, I must say(though its only my opinion) almost make you look like you're trolling. No harm done though, if all this is because you're simply unable to communicate amicably.

Primary purpose of owning a firearms is selfdefense -----------and revolver does it unfailingly while pistol does not inspire that much confidence.

Thats only your confidence your talking about

If one keeps for status symbol, I am afraid I may sound hurting.

Carry the argument to every one who uses a pistol... hmmm... lets see... those funny people who are entrusted with the life our PM, President, stupid netas...etc.... how about every single spec-ops walla? Now, their demanding job profiles would benefit immensely from the revolver...methinks!

Ok, buddy, I'm out of this thread unless necessity forces me in again. My opinions and a lot of others wont change as a result of a jaundiced post. Carry on with what ever you feel like posting but for heavens sake don't bother responding to my post. I can do without wasting time on pointless threads.

[vjha55]

In fact one of my friends went to the extent of saying that those having pistol should be considered as least threatened------ that is, least threat means you can compromise with security and keep pistol. Well of course his view is too extreme and I do not entirely agree. But it does raise an issue to debate upon.

[mundaire]

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But it does raise an issue to debate upon.

vjha55 - calling everyone who does not agree with you an idiot and/ or a showoff is hardly engaging in debate... it's trolling plain and simple! Anyhow, I suppose you would care to explain to the rest of us "idiots" why is it that the vast majority of military & police forces, all over the world prefer to use semi-auto pistols as opposed to revolvers? They do not suffer the same constraints (of limited choice) as civilians in India do, and they face REAL (as opposed to imagined) THREATS a helluva lot more often during the course of their duties THAN ANY ordinary civilian in India would... I guess they are "idiots" as well, placing far more importance on "showing-off" than they do on their OWN LIVES!

If you are more comfortable with a revolver... so be it! It's a good enough choice, so long as you are capable enough to use it! But from reading your "idea" of leaving one chamber empty in the revolver... to make it safer... leads me to believe that you are operating more on folklore and handed down myths, than on any real knowledge as to how best to survive a firefight!

Before I end, allow me to point you to a resource which can offer even more depth of knowledge than this forum (so long as you know how to search and sift through the useless info to arrive at the gems... hard work, but then quality info doesn't come easy) - www.google.com - try searching for combat handguns and techniques etc. you might be surprised with what you find...

Cheers!
Abhijeet

[saahil]

hi mr vjha
as you have started a debate i too wanna poke my nose into it. sir we are indians. our case is no other then what it is said that beggers are no choosers. we spent even the last drop of our blood in getting an arms license and after getting one we get so exhausted that a person like me cant even think of making choices in my wildest dreams.or can we.
take care

[vjha55]

You see, a debate with energy is what we look for, apart from, of course, arguments with reason and information.
I do regret for the chill I sent through, but it was just meant to energise the discussion within limit.

By the way, why all agree that pistol of any make can jam, though not too often, still carry it? What is the psychology behind this thinking?

[eljefe]

hi, just a little rejoinder- do you own any handgun jha?
wouldnt make much sense to debate for the sake of following in some long forgotten school elocution nostalgia now, does it

[vjha55]

I own webley & scot 0.32 revolver in the mean time, though I have booked IOF revolver as my preference goes for brand new.

[penpusher]

Vjha55,

You are making a jack ass of yourself.Your comments are not meant to provoke a debate,but to be provocative, period.What you are posting amounts to nothing but mindless drivel.

Listen to yourself:-

"An intelligent man carries a revolver.Pistols are prone to jamming.Anyone who owns a pistol does so only to show off.Anyone who carries a pistol and relies on it for self protection is an idiot."

Your comments are ill informed,half baked and extremely offensive.It is a credit to the other members ,some of whom own and carry/shoot pistols,that they have so far not lost their cool.It is a testament to patience of the owner of this site .I have neither the patience nor the temperament to suffer fools like you.

You a troll,plain and simple.If you are really interested in arms and the shooting sport and wish to be a long time member here,you should have the sense not to piss on the place where you are going to sit.