Accidentally dropped shotgun discharge.

[Bishop]

A business owner was killed last night by his own loaded shotgun, leaned over scooter which slid and dropped to the floor causing accidental discharge.According to the news ,it was a SBBL shotgun most probably external hammer design and the whole incident is recorded on CCTV.In the video it appears that after closing his shop,he leaned his gun against the scooter and went onto keep a package inside the scooters underseat storage.This triggered the shotgun to fall and go bang.Within seconds body was lifeless.

[Bishop]

[Vikram]

Poor man. He was probably taking the day's cash collection home, hence kept the loaded gun at hand. Tragic loss of life.

[Bishop]

[Vineet]

Its important that one’s weapon is ‘drop safe’. There have been many instances where shotguns and iof revolvers have gone off when dropped down accidentally.

Keeping sbbl or dbbl loaded is inviting trouble. Nowadays there is option of pump action guns, these are better for self defence.

[snipeshot]

Carrying a loaded gun is a crime and is the most incautious thing someone can do! The risk very high in hammerless (internal hammers) guns but its also risky in external hammerd guns. Never ever keep a gun loaded unless you are in high alert position and intent to open fire. Many similar cases are reported around the world, but some people dont understand the gun discipline and carry it casually and the result is death.

[timmy]

Carrying a loaded gun is a crime and is the most incautious thing someone can do! The risk very high in hammerless (internal hammers) guns but its also risky in external hammerd guns. Never ever keep a gun loaded unless you are in high alert position and intent to open fire. Many similar cases are reported around the world, but some people dont understand the gun discipline and carry it casually and the result is death.

So, when I'm out in the field hunting birds, and one jumps up to fly off, should I ask him to wait while I load the shotgun?

[HasnainQureshi21]

brother, you are wrong.

Carrying a loaded gun is a crime and is the most incautious thing someone can do! The risk very high in hammerless (internal hammers) guns but its also risky in external hammerd guns. Never ever keep a gun loaded unless you are in high alert position and intent to open fire. Many similar cases are reported around the world, but some people dont understand the gun discipline and carry it casually and the result is death.

[snipeshot]

Carrying a loaded gun is a crime and is the most incautious thing someone can do! The risk very high in hammerless (internal hammers) guns but its also risky in external hammerd guns. Never ever keep a gun loaded unless you are in high alert position and intent to open fire. Many similar cases are reported around the world, but some people dont understand the gun discipline and carry it casually and the result is death.

So, when I'm out in the field hunting birds, and one jumps up to fly off, should I ask him to wait while I load the shotgun?

In that case, it can be loaded but in safe switch position, keep the barrel in X position to your body. A little practice can give you basic skills like, switching to fire mode during the mounting the gun to shoulder. Life is precious, yours as well as others.

[snipeshot]

brother, you are wrong.

Carrying a loaded gun is a crime and is the most incautious thing someone can do! The risk very high in hammerless (internal hammers) guns but its also risky in external hammerd guns. Never ever keep a gun loaded unless you are in high alert position and intent to open fire. Many similar cases are reported around the world, but some people dont understand the gun discipline and carry it casually and the result is death.

Brother! Everyone says this, until it happens. Safety is paramount.

[eljefe]

There is a very standard question in the safety test we have here to wards getting an arms licence.
How do you cross a fence, when carrying a loaded gun?

The only answer is keep it flat on ground unloaded , near the fence, cross the fence and retrieve.

So keeping a loaded, unsecured gun leaning against a 2 wheeler and letting it drop is asking for trouble.
I empathise with the lost life, but the gun did not kill. A dangerous maintainence and handling fault led to the AD.

“He should have done this or that…” cardinal rule of gun ownership and carry was ignored. Period

[Ehtasham]

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[eljefe]

As the title of this post says -accidental shotgun discharge. It is in shotguns section.
Find the handguns section and start a new post there if you cant find info

[timmy]

The issue with loading a round in the chamber and applying the safety totally depends on the word, "safety."

Unfortunately, there are safeties and then there are safeties that are REALLY safe. Just because the manufacturer calls it a safety, or just because someone's uncle told him the safety was safe and he told me, doesn't make it safe.

For instance, take the Sten submachine gun, which was used by British forces in WW2. The Sten had a cocking lever that was attached to the bolt, and extended from a slot in the receiver. Since the Sten fired from an open bolt (The firing bolt of a Sten had the firing pin attached. The bolt is held open by the trigger and when it is released, it strips and loads the cartridge and then the firing pin hits the primer.) the slot in the receiver had a hook in the rearward end. Pulling the bolt fully back and then turning the cocking piece into the hook end of the slot would prevent the gun from firing, but if the gun was carried in a rough environment, say in the back of a truck, a sharp vibration could cause the cocking piece to jump out of the hook end of the slot and place the Sten in an unsafe condition. This led, in practice, to a number of negligent discharges and deaths.

Contrary to the Sten, carrying a 1911 (particularly of the Series 80 design) "cocked and locked" IS safe. The safety lever rotates a piece of solid steel into the rotation of the hammer and the hammer cannot fall, even if the pistol is dropped on it. However, simply because someone sees a lever on the side of a handgun that looks like the lever on the 1911, and is called a "safety," some people assume that the safety is safe. It is not.

Many safeties operate on the principle of blocking the sear or the trigger. A safety of this sort is fairly useless, because keeping the gun from firing depends on the ledge on the hammer that the sear engages. This ledge is usually kept very narrow, which considerably affects the feel of the trigger pull. Unfortunately, that narrow ledge is broken relatively easily, and so is the pointed end of the sear which engages it. Also, the sear is often poivoted on a very small diameter pin, which can also sheer if subjected to force.

This using the firing sear and sear notch for a safety is what makes the Ashani unsafe to carry with a round in the chamber, even with the safety applied. This is what makes carrying the 1903 Colt Pocket Pistol unsafe to carry with a round in the chamber, as well as many other pistols of the past and present.

Now, briefly, I'd like to address rifles and their safeties. Focusing on the Mauser rifles and their derivatives, the Springfield, Enfield (not SMLE) and Winchester Model 70, Note that the "flag safety" used in these rifles works like that in the 1911: a piece of steel is positively engaged into the striker of the bolt and positively prevents the striker from a negligent discharge. MAny other bolt action rifles have other safety mechanisms that are also positive, but the Mauser flag safety is the easiest to understand intuitively.

I'll digress further here and mention the safety of the Ruger #1 single shot rifle: into the nose of the internal hammer, a steel block connected to the sliding thumb safety engages a notch in the hammer face. This also interposes solid steel into the direct path of the firing mechanism, making for a sure and positive safety design.

Now, finally, to shotguns. Almost all shotguns have safeties that block the trigger in some way. Some of these designs are pretty positive, like the trigger block on my Browning, and others are less so, like the sliding tang safety of my L C Smith SxS. It's common practice with break action shotguns (SxS, O/U, and single shots) to carry the gun broken open until entering the field, which is a positive safe carry. However, it does render the gun useless in the case of needing a fast shot, such as in pheasant hunting.

Another type of shotgun safety is the rebounding hammer. These are most often seen in single shot break action external hammer guns. In these, the hammer rests in a position between full cock and the fired position. When the gun is fired, the hammer falls to the firing position and rebounds to the intermediate position. The hammer, in this intermediate position, is prevented from being pushed or striking the firing pin by another surface on the trigger, which prevents the hammer from moving forward. The gun is carried with a round in the chamber and with the hammer in this uncocked, intermediate position, and the hammer is drawn back and cocked to fire the gun. This rebounding hammer works somewhat effectively, but the gun is still slow to bring into action.

I think that it is vital that each gun owner have enough familiarity with the safety of the gun that is owned, carred, and used, and not rely on the name the safety is called or on the chit-chat of others. For myself, I want a piece of steel that blocks the firing mechanism, be it a hammer fired gun or a striker fired gun of any kind.

Unfortunately, shotguns almost never have this sort of safety. When carrying in the field for hunting, additional safety is obtained by hunting practices, but this is still a somewhat dangerous activity. One must be very aware of others in the hunting party and adhere to careful practices. Hunting isn't allowed in India, so the other remaining shotgun activities are sport and self defense. Sport also has its safety procedures, but self defense, as illustrated by this unfortunate accident, is a troublesome area.

Shotguns are not handy for many self defense situations, as this case shows. Whether or not this unfortunate individual had a safety procedure or not, his oversight put him in a fatally dangerous spot. Perhaps his unfortunate demise will have some meaning if we all review our own safety practices and follow them unfailingly.

As Asif notes, when crossing a fence, there are clear safety procedures that don't involve leaning a loaded gun against the fence wire or post. These procedures may or may not be amenable to carrying a shotgun for self defense. If it's not safe, it should not be done. The issue to note here is that the hunter is in an active role: everything he or she does is a choice. However, in a self defense situation, the person is in a reactive situation. They must react to a wide range of actions by others that are not of their own choosing, and which will probably be designed to surprise. This makes a big difference in the way one prepares to deal with a threat.

Again, knowing how one's gun works is indespensible to carrying a gun safely, no matter what kind of gun or what kind of situation is involved.