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[Skyman]

In the books, does he use a beretta in casino royal?

[Kittu]

Hi timmy glad to hear from you.As i have first few novels and moviea.Thewalther ppk is sho2n in 6th novel not in first five movies as his issued weapon.As onefamos fan of jamesb8nd novels criticis3d fleming for gun he carried was a lady gun(geofry boothyard) then he decided to change gun for his character and that novel is known as Dr.no thanks

[Kittu]

Yes dear skyman as in novels

[timmy]

My point here is this: Some folks have read the 007 novels.

Most folks, quite a few more, are familiar with the James Bond 007 Movies.

In all of the 007 movies, beginning from 1962, Bond is outfitted with a PPK.

Most people, therefore, associate James Bond with a PPK, and many even associate the PPK with James Bond.

If Beretta is going to come out with an expensive collectors edition of one of their guns, most people are going to recognize that this is not a PPK; it is not "James Bond's gun."

Furthermore, the statement:

He had a beretta in the earlier movies.I think he gets the PPK in thunderball....

1. Isn't about the books -- it clearly says movies, specifically earlier movies. I believe that's what I was addressing.

2. As I said several times, he got the PPK at the beginning of the first movie, Dr. No, not in the 4th one, Thunderball.

[Skyman]

You are correct, i saw them a loong time ago.

[nagarifle]

i would say it s more of a case of painted cp99 then anything else, any idea what that thing is at the base of the mag houseing? the sticking out bit.

see thishttp://www.goldgenie.com/james-bond-gol ... p-780.html

selling for 2k pounds

did't james bond in the movie Dr. NO at the begging when he goes to see M in his office, did they changed his guns ? not sure from which to which

[Grumpy]

It`s a strange thing but I do associate Bond with the Beretta rather than the Walther PPK ..... but that`s because I read all the ( Ian Fleming ) novels whilst in my teens and the movies didn`t really `do it for me`. He also drove a blower Bentley in the books - not an Aston Martin ........ but even in 1962 at the time of Doctor No a vintage Bentley would have been an eccentric choice. Why they decided to equip him with a Walther PPK in the movies I have no idea. It is a fact though that, because of the movies, as far as the ( much ) greater majority of the public are concerned, James Bond used a Walther PPK.

[timmy]

Yes, the movies did do the job.

Dr. No introduced the many recurring themes and features associated with the suave and sophisticated secret agent: the distinctive "James Bond Theme", the gun barrel sequence, his initial mission briefing with M, "Bond girls", the criminal organisation SPECTRE, narrow escapes, Bond's luck and skill, his signature Walther PPK and the licence to kill, over-ambitious villains, henchmen and allies.

- Wikipedia on Dr. No

I think another part of the whole Bond movie influence was President Kennedy saying that the Ian Fleming novels, particularly From Russia with Love (my all-time favorite 007 film) as his favorite. The subsequent assassination of JFK and the adulation that poured out from the public, particularly young people for him and every thing about him, added a great deal to the whole Bond phenomenon for a generation.

But all was not lost for Bentleys. John Steed drove one in The Avengers, that great British series! Of course it was eccentric, but then again, everything about The Avengers was, and that's what made it so delightful.

Are you ready for "The Return of the Cyborgs?"

[xl_target]

any idea what that thing is at the base of the mag houseing? the sticking out bit

Lanyard attachment point.

Those should be popular with Mexican Drug Lords or adherents of Saddam Hussein.

[TC]

Hi gues famous james bond carried beretta model 418 in earlynovels orfilms.It can be a future weapon used by 007 in upcoming films.

The .25 Model 418 Beretta, also marketed as the Bantam model, was an early design. It was a striker fired weapon ( i.e. no hammer and spring loaded firing pin found in most pistols thanks to John Browning). The 418 had conventional trigger safety on the left of the frame and a second safety on the backstrap of the grip that would activate under pressure from the swell of the palm. Simultaneous pressure on the backstrap and trigger would release the striker. It was a well built and sturdy pistol and served well till it phased away. Fleming chose the .25 cal for Bond in his first novel, Casino Royale and a few more, probably because when he was a naval intelligence officer he used to carry a .25 Baby Browning - a true ladies gun.
Since Bond has successfully switched from Walther PPK to P99 I don't think the franchise would want to arm him with a ladies gun all over again.



TC

[Grumpy]

I doubt that Fleming carried any sort of gun when in Naval Intelligence .... there wouldn`t have been a lot of call for a firearm while he was sat behind a desk.

[timmy]

When one considers handguns used for personal protection, like a .31 Colt "Baby Dragoon," a derringer, a Remington .41 double derringer, or other things that were used prior to, say, WW2, the .32 ACP was fairly powerful and the .25 ACP was considered a more reasonable choice. Look at the French and Russian revolvers of the WW1 era, when both of the ACPs came out: neither of them was a booming power house. Even the WW2 era .38-200 would be sneered at by most nowadays as a personal protection choice.

I agree that Fleming was a desk jockey and would not doubt that his exposure to handguns was not great.

[TC]

I doubt that Fleming carried any sort of gun when in Naval Intelligence .... there wouldn`t have been a lot of call for a firearm while he was sat behind a desk.

Agree,
Fleming only had a desk job with the NI that required little knowledge or need of firearms. Like many others I have only read about Fleming's .25 Browning in film magazines. There is little scope for crosschecking. However, one can't deny that Fleming relied on experts, the most prominent being Geoffrey Boothroyd, to avoid making technical blunders (I doubt whether he actually succeeded in that).
Here is an 1962 article published by Sports illustrated on Bond's guns and correspondence between Fleming and Boothroyd. The letters say a lot.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/ ... /index.htm

TC

[Grumpy]

I have seen extracts from some of Geoffrey Boothroyds correspondence with Ian Fleming but this whole letter is a gem - the guy is SO enthusiastic. A good find TC - thankyou.

[inplainsight]

Slightly OT here, but I'm glad Connery used the Mauser HSc in "Never Say Never Again"

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Mauser_HSc

Sorry, I just had to get it in there