Colt police positive snub nosed

[only32owner]

Now it looks even more beautiful, wow.

keep the pics. coming in.

Regards.

[vinay singh]

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You are on the mark as usual doc, this indeed is the fourth issue as told to me by the previous owner.will post more pics shortly.
Regards

[wingsoffires66]

manifique !

[gladiatorgarg]

great beauty is it .32??

[The Doc]

@ Vinay - The serial number will guide you to the model and year of manufacture here ...... http://proofhouse.com/colt/index.html

best,
Rp.

[vinay singh]

Thank you doc, I would definately try it.
Regards
Vinay

[TC]

TC bro the second pic shows the barell with the words police positive.....

TC I agree to your comments about the bluing and grips but have your previously seen a .32 Colt PP with a ramped sight and shrouded ejector in 2 1/2 inch format?

Vinay - some more pictures will definitely help.

This is a Colt Police Positive - Fourth Issue revolver. These guns were manufactured around 1977-78. The Fourth Issue Police Positive is a blued revolver with a shrouded ejector rod housing and a ramp sight. They were made in .38 spl caliber and I presume that some were made in .32 caliber too.

More pictures please ?

best,
Rp.

Rakshit and Bowman

I saw the pictures carefully and I was taken aback. Let me explain why.

1) if I take this to be a fourth issue Pocket Positive the markings on the left side of the barrel does not match any marking seen on Colt revolvers of this series... It says ".32" ... just .32 and nothing else... and the "2" here looks a little out of alignment going by whatever I can make out from the angle from which the photo has been taken. Also I have never seen a police positive fourth issue where the "P" for Police is twice as big the size of the other letters naming the series and serves as the first letter for two words - Police and Positive.

Also, the one line of markings on the right side of the barrel saying details of the manufacturing company like Cot USA etc. are missing in the picture posted.



2) According to my knowledge the fourth issue PP came only in .38 special and Colt always always wrote .38 SPECIAL CTG ( all in upper case) below the words Police Positive.



Picture of this nickel finish Colt PP fourth issue should make it clear. Even If I take for granted that the revolver being discussion was one of the rare .32s as Doc has pointed out then it should have read .32 S&W LONG CTG since this was clearly made in a time when Colt had stopped producing PPs in the .32-20 cal in which the first series of PPs came.

3) Now have a look at these two pics of a .38 Special Fourth Issue Police Positive





If you notice the right side of the above revolver you will clearly see one screw (below the trigger) holding the side plate.
The pictures posted by Mr Singh shows one screw held against a pin of the same diameter. Is there any reason why Colt would use two different locking mechanisms for the same series of revolvers produced for no apparent reason?

Frankly speaking, my experience with Colts, the ramped foresight and other features of this revolver only tells ME that this is a later model Colt Detective Special or a Colt Agent.

But then again the side plate screw held against a pin (the screw obviously has to have an arc cut on one side that we cant see in the pic) does not math either the DS or the Agent. The only snub nose revolver that had this feature was the COLT POCKET POSITIVE that came in .32 short and .32-20.

I rest my case and leave the matter to other forum members.

Regards

TC

[I'am Gladiator]

nice revolver

[only32owner]

very nice revolver. how much did this cost you? this is a very beautiful piece

[Moin.]

TC bro the second pic shows the barell with the words police positive.....

TC I agree to your comments about the bluing and grips but have your previously seen a .32 Colt PP with a ramped sight and shrouded ejector in 2 1/2 inch format?

Vinay - some more pictures will definitely help.

This is a Colt Police Positive - Fourth Issue revolver. These guns were manufactured around 1977-78. The Fourth Issue Police Positive is a blued revolver with a shrouded ejector rod housing and a ramp sight. They were made in .38 spl caliber and I presume that some were made in .32 caliber too.

More pictures please ?

best,
Rp.

Rakshit and Bowman

I saw the pictures carefully and I was taken aback. Let me explain why.

1) if I take this to be a fourth issue Pocket Positive the markings on the left side of the barrel does not match any marking seen on Colt revolvers of this series... It says ".32" ... just .32 and nothing else... and the "2" here looks a little out of alignment going by whatever I can make out from the angle from which the photo has been taken. Also I have never seen a police positive fourth issue where the "P" for Police is twice as big the size of the other letters naming the series and serves as the first letter for two words - Police and Positive.

Also, the one line of markings on the right side of the barrel saying details of the manufacturing company like Cot USA etc. are missing in the picture posted.



2) According to my knowledge the fourth issue PP came only in .38 special and Colt always always wrote .38 SPECIAL CTG ( all in upper case) below the words Police Positive.

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Picture of this nickel finish Colt PP fourth issue should make it clear. Even If I take for granted that the revolver being discussion was one of the rare .32s as Doc has pointed out then it should have read .32 S&W LONG CTG since this was clearly made in a time when Colt had stopped producing PPs in the .32-20 cal in which the first series of PPs came.

3) Now have a look at these two pics of a .38 Special Fourth Issue Police Positive

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If you notice the right side of the above revolver you will clearly see one screw (below the trigger) holding the side plate.
The pictures posted by Mr Singh shows one screw held against a pin of the same diameter. Is there any reason why Colt would use two different locking mechanisms for the same series of revolvers produced for no apparent reason?

Frankly speaking, my experience with Colts, the ramped foresight and other features of this revolver only tells ME that this is a later model Colt Detective Special or a Colt Agent.

But then again the side plate screw held against a pin (the screw obviously has to have an arc cut on one side that we cant see in the pic) does not math either the DS or the Agent. The only snub nose revolver that had this feature was the COLT POCKET POSITIVE that came in .32 short and .32-20.

I rest my case and leave the matter to other forum members.

Regards

TC

Baap re baap TcDa, a standing ovation for your attention to detail. You should have been in IB or RAW !!

Best
Moin.

[vinay singh]

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Hi friends, I have come across on of my friends pointing out tha he has nevder seen the letter P written in the manner it has been written on my colt.i would not contest that but woul like to post a pic.

[vinay singh]

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Regarding the same locking mechanism on same series I am in no position to comment

[I'am Gladiator]

very nice revolver. how much did this cost you? this is a very beautiful piece

did I say something wrong

[The Doc]

Reference - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=454765

Between 1908 and 1942, the Police Positive was chambered to use the following cartridges.

.22 RF (short, long or long rifle)
.22 WRF (Winchester Rim Fire - a unique .22 round)
.32 Colt New Police (same as .32 S&W Long)
.38 Colt New Police (same as .38 S&W)

At the same time the Police Positive Special was chambered in:

.32-20 WCF (originally designed to be used in Winchester lever action rifles & carbines)
.38 Special (also would fire .38 Long Colt, but not .38 S&W)

Following World War Two the Police Positive was discontinued, but the Police Positive Special remained in production. At that time the .32-20 option was dropped, but for a short time the .32 S&W Long and .38 S&W chamberings were added. Some were also made in .22 Rim Fire.
The Colt Police Positive and Police Positive Special are for the most part identical revolvers, but the Police Positive has a slightly shorter frame and cylinder.

The Police Positive cylinder is 1 1/4 (1.250) inches long. This is easy to measure with an ordinary ruler.

The Police Positive Special cylinder is longer, so forget the confusing barrel markings and which cartridges fit whatever model, and simply measure the cylinder length. If it comes out 1 1/4 inches, or close it's a Police Positive. If it's noticeably longer then 1 1/4 inches it's a Police Positive Special.

Remember that each model was serial numbered in it's own series.

[BowMan]

2) According to my knowledge the fourth issue PP came only in .38 special and Colt always always wrote .38 SPECIAL CTG ( all in upper case) below the words Police Positive.

I agree, thence my below comment.

Is not Colt Police positive 4th issue .38 Special and 4"/5"/6" barrel only!?