Do you carry your Handgun chambered? Why, Why not?

[DOM]

i beleive Never pull out your weapon, unless you and your family are in a safe position. Just a display of gun will force the other to fire at you.

Hello DOM,
I really appreciate your wisdom again. You imagine the situation that the aggressor is also armed with a gun, hence in equal terms.

I will also be interested to know, if you do not mind to explain, why you did not shoot the 2 persons dead in spite of feeling an imminent danger to your life. Does the Penal Code of Pakistan allow it as in the Indian Penal Code?
If yes, by doing so, you could have made sure that those two criminals would never attack anyone again.

best regards
tirpassion

Thanks for your appreciation.
Why dont shoot....??? Aaahhh its a big question.

To own and using the gun is a grave responsibility.
The reason behind the gun owned by me is truly to safe my and my dear ones life from misc reasons.
I will use mine 100% in case anyone come to kidnap or if the matter of my home defence.

But didnt want to get involve nor suggest anyone to use gun in petty crimes like mobile snatching, little cash,
I mean to shoot the BG for saving the amount of just Rs. 20,000 to 30,000. And after shot the person to spend money and khajjal khuwari to save or clear my life from police station or courts.

So, better not to use pistol or shoot in petty crimes, but never leave the person without the shot in case of home defence, kidnapping, attempt to rape, child abusing.

This is what i feel the difference between bad guys and law abiding citizens.

And by the way i use inside the pant holster to carry my gun daily.


Regards.

[winnie_the_pooh]

In a self defence situation,thinking will get you killed.

[Safarigent]

Dom: very mature response. Bravo
You dont shoot someone for every small little thing. A lot of people could benefit from this in india.

[tirpassion]

Hello Xl target,

Most of us in the US learn what we call the the four basic rules of gun safety.
They are:

1. All guns are loaded, always (All guns are treated as if they are loaded, always)
2. Never let the muzzle cover anything that you are not willing to destroy.
3. Keep your finger off the trigger till your sights are on the target
4. Always make sure of your target and what is beyond it.

If you follow the four rules that I enumerated, you don't need a bunch of additional ones.

The US handgun laws enumerate 3 fundamental (basic general safety rules) and 11 additional rules of safe gun handling. The basic fundamental rules are as follows.
1. Always point the muzzle in a safe direction; never point a firearm at anyone or anything you
don't want to shoot.
2. Keep your finger off the trigger and outside the trigger guard until you are ready to shoot.
3. Keep the action open and the gun unloaded until you are ready to use it.

In your version of 4 basic rules there are 2 Fundamental basic rules out of 3, 1 additional rule out of 11 and 1 rule on the Safety of target out of 4. Are the rest understood or do not need attention? I am under the impression that the rules of gun safety are not followed meticulously in general if everybody sticks to the 4 principles only mentioned by you.

best regards
tirpassion

[DOM]

Dom: very mature response. Bravo
You dont shoot someone for every small little thing. A lot of people could benefit from this in india.

[DOM]

just see poll and read opinions of same subject on an international canadian forum, Poll results are exactly same..

[dev]

One of the longest and most beautiful debates that I have read in a while. Both of you (Tirpassion and Gbm) have conducted yourself as gentlemen of your standing should.
Really wish we could have met somewhere where we could have 'wet many a nipperkin'.
I don't have a handgun but have voted will carry with one in the chamber .

Regards,

Dev

[timmy]

If you are carrying your CO2 .177 pellet gun short walking distances or in a case on a train to go to friends or family to targest shoot, well and good, but it isn't necessary to have it loaded.

If you are carrying yor CO2 .177 pellet gun for self defense purpses, you are not doing yourself any favors -- you are only fooling yourself. While nobody wishes to get shot even with a hand catapult, a pellet gun's ability to disable an attacker, especially a deermined one, is practcally nil. Furthermore, should you miss with your one shot or hit, you are likely to make a serious fellow or fellows quite upset, and gain a bad outcome.

Carrying such a device -- I won't call it a weapon -- may seem like a clever way to circumvent firearms regulations, but it is clever by half. Pulling that thing in dire straits will only give your attacker(s) justification for giving you a good thrashing (or worse), since they will claim they were simply defending themselves when you pulled a weapon and threatened or shot at them. Saying they thought you pulled a real gun in the heat of the moment is likely to prevail as a defense for what they do to you, since you will be seen to be the aggressor.

You will do as you wish, but your tactic of carrying that thing is very poor and is very unlikely to lead to a good outcome. As my Grandmother used to say: "A word to the wise is sufficient."

[Mr.Shome]

Timmy Sir has clearly elucidated this point. Please go ahead if you are fishing for trouble.

[hornet22]

Carrying a round in the chamber is only required in high risk areas, for ordinary situations it could be more of a risk than any advantage

[Mr.Shome]

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[metroman]

Carrying a round in the chamber is only required in high risk areas, for ordinary situations it could be more of a risk than any advantage

Disagree!

cannot believe its 2025 and people still think about carrying unchambered

modern handguns are meant to be carried with round in the chamber, unless the manufacturer is shady as in a handmade in a shady warehouse.
or its a sig p320 (joke ofc)
...
again it is always carried in a (preferably kydex) holster so the trigger is closed off...
I would not carry any IOF handguns chambered as i dont trust them enough( dont own them ).. I carry my g19 / Springfield XD always chambered.

[timmy]

again it is always carried in a (preferably kydex) holster so the trigger is closed off...
I would not carry any IOF handguns chambered as i dont trust them enough( dont own them ).. I carry my g19 / Springfield XD always chambered.

metroman, I'm on board with you, except I can't say that I'm wild about kydex holsters. I carry inside the waistband, and I don't care for that plastic next to my body. I started carrying quite some time ago with a CZ 70 in 32 Auto, using a Galco Royal Guard holster. I was more or less talked into this holster, as we were leaving on a trip. It turned out to be a great choice!

These holsters are made of horsehide, rather than cowhide, and while they breathe like leather, they don't soak up body moisture like cowhide leather does. Now, I've gone to a duty-sized 9mm, and got a Royal Guard holster for this pistol It is very comfortable for all day carry, whether walking about or driving a long distance.

Others, like yourself, may feel differently about kydex for holsters. But your point -- the main point, as i see it -- is that the trigger is covered. I see the holster as an important safety factor.

My gun is also striker fired, but single action. I am convinced that it is drop safe and won't fire unless the trigger is pulled, but there's the rub: the trigger should be covered until the gun is brought into action. There is no manual safety on my pistol, so I figure I'm a bit like those old Gurkhas who only drew their knife when they were going to spill blood. The pistol stays in its holster, whether on my waist or under my pillow. The gun is always "ready to go," but it is always in the holster unless I'm at the range with it or if I'm cleaning it. Then, it's back in the holster.

Happy shooting to you, sir!

[hornet22]

Carrying a round in the chamber is only required in high risk areas, for ordinary situations it could be more of a risk than any advantage

Disagree!

cannot believe its 2025 and people still think about carrying unchambered

modern handguns are meant to be carried with round in the chamber, unless the manufacturer is shady as in a handmade in a shady warehouse.
or its a sig p320 (joke ofc)
...
again it is always carried in a (preferably kydex) holster so the trigger is closed off...
I would not carry any IOF handguns chambered as i dont trust them enough( dont own them ).. I carry my g19 / Springfield XD always chambered.

I was talking about Indian scenario not America, India is way safer country than the USA

[timmy]

Carrying a round in the chamber is only required in high risk areas, for ordinary situations it could be more of a risk than any advantage

Disagree!

cannot believe its 2025 and people still think about carrying unchambered

modern handguns are meant to be carried with round in the chamber, unless the manufacturer is shady as in a handmade in a shady warehouse.
or its a sig p320 (joke ofc)
...
again it is always carried in a (preferably kydex) holster so the trigger is closed off...
I would not carry any IOF handguns chambered as i dont trust them enough( dont own them ).. I carry my g19 / Springfield XD always chambered.

I was talking about Indian scenario not America, India is way safer country than the USA

The crime rate is hardly the point here. All the crime rate does is give a rough idea of the probability of experiencing a crime. It has nothing to do with how quickly a defensive firearm can be brought into action.

If it is unnecessary to carry a round in the chamber to bring the gun into action as quickly as possible, then why is it necessary to carry a gun at all? If you feel safe in an area where there is a low crime rate, why do you feel the need to carry a gun in the first place?

Another thing to consider is, if you become the victim of a crime, what does the crime rate matter? I carry a fire extinguisher in my car. How likely is it that my car is going to catch fire? (answer: very unlikely) I carry a fire extinguisher in my car because 1.) the car could catch fire and I can't afford to get another car right now, and 2.) it may not be likely that I can depend on the fire department because I live in a very low population area. I must depend on myself for protection, so I carry a fire extinguisher.

Likewise, I live in a pretty low crime area. However, i still don't know whether a threat may come to my door or to me while I'm out and about, or traveling. It doesn't matter what my crime rate is, because when I need a gun, I need it, and I don't know how quickly I will need it. So, I must be prepared at all times for the worst situation, as it lies within my ability.

I will make the point that, if I had an Ashani, or a Colt Pocket Pistol, or some other unsafe gun, I would not carry a round in the chamber in any case, because it would be unsafe. However, it has been possible for me not to have to carry such an unsafe gun, and because my carry guns and some other guns that I have are safe to carry with a round in the chamber, I always do so for my carry weapon.