How SIG Sauer pistols are made

[Vikram]

XL,

You are right about the Israeli pistols. I handled both and I found the Jericho to be much better.Not that the Barak was bad.I read that the Jericho is practically a CZ-75 with certain changes.However, the FSL I saw was a polymer framed one as you rightly said.


I saw $350-400 quoted on Gunbroker for new CZ75s and paying $1300 for a used one seems inappropriate to me . There are plenty Makarovs and TTs to be had for about $250-300s.I may actually go for a TT before I go for a Jericho.

Best-
Vikram

[winnie_the_pooh]

Vikram,

If you get a TT and bring it back to India you will not have any problem getting ammo.Personally,I would try to get a CZ 52 if I were to buy a pistol in this calibre.

[timmy]

XL: thanks so much for your rundown! I have to admit, I never carried "cocked and locked" but instead, had the hammer down on a chambered round. I just never felt safe with the sear and the full cock notch being the only thing saving my foot, though I know it has been proven safe.

So, I've leaned toward a DA (not DA only) pistol. Many years ago, I did look at Hi Powers, but didn't like the small, squarish grips that the double stack magazine requires. But then, the Hi Power is smaller than a 1911 and I think that's where I'm headed.

As far as the steel vs. aluminum/plastic frame, I am still out on that. On one hand, The steel has to be more durable if one would pump lots of rounds through the weapon, but as a carry gun, the plastic would seem to have a great weight advantage.

I looked at a Kahr, but it is a medium sized pistol chopped down to a small sized one, and I felt that I could get my rather large hands around my CZ50 a lot better than that Kahr or something like it.

As I read your review, the CZ 75 sounds rather interesting. I would like to have a pistol that benefits from the smaller size of the 9mm round, rather than going for the 9mm in what I'd call a .45 ACP frame. (Though I will confess, I've always lusted over a .38 Super, but that's not a defense/carry issue.)

I've read your thoughts a couple of times, and I think I need to reread them and contemplate them some more.

I sure appreciate your input and time! Thanks!

[xl_target]

Timmy,
I have fired a friend's (all metal) Kahr in .40 S&W and my impression of it was that it was a vicious little.. er.. female dog. My friend does like to load his reloads hot but he doesn't exceed the maximum load as listed. The recoil was painful and it had a nasty torquey snap to it. It wasn't like a .357 in a Scandium Smith but it was unpleasant. One mag was enough for me and I was not impressed. I did then put the same load in my P-06 and it was a night and day difference. The 9mm version should be a bit milder. The Kahr did have a smooth Double action trigger though.

As far as the Polymer frames go, they are actually quite durable. The slide usually rides on steel rails embedded in the frame. The old saw about Glock's passing through a metal detector is fiction. There is quite a bit of metal in a Glock. The Aluminum frames are fine too. Remember the P226 with a quarter million rounds? With today's engineering, almost all guns from major manufacturers will hold up fine to wear and use that You and I would put them through.

If you're not averse to Polymer (Tactical Tupperware ); If you get a chance, try out S&W's M&P pistol. It is actually pretty ergonomic (for me at least) and shooting it was a pleasant experience. They come in many different sizes and they are striker fired like the Glock. I've shot versions in 9mm and .40. Other plastic framed pistols that I did not care for were Walthers P99 and Beretta's PX4. They all functioned fine but they felt too big in my hands. I can shoot them with no major issues but they don't feel as good as my SIG. The PX4 was OK (in .40) but I felt the recoil was excessive compared to my CZ P-06. The Springfield XD isn't too bad either. Keltec's polymer 9mm's are OK too. Good manufacturing techniques make them cheap, durable and light. SIG's polymer SP2022 is a nice full size pistol, well known for its smooth trigger. It has interchangeable grips so it can fit a variety of hands. The SP2022 is DA/SA and not striker fired though. It can be changed to Double Action only (DAO) as the entire fire control mechanism comes out as one assembly.
From SIG's site:

the SP2022 can easily be converted from a Double-Action/Single-Action to a Double-Action Only configuration through a unique integral fire control unit

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I did have a rather frustrating experience this afternoon. I went to a pin shoot and used my .40 in the big bore match. It just didn't have the authority to fling the pins off the three foot table. I will be looking at .45's or (grin) maybe a 10mm. The 10mm will allow me to use the same bullets that I use in my .40 which is a plus.

[Vikram]

Vikram,

If you get a TT and bring it back to India you will not have any problem getting ammo.Personally,I would try to get a CZ 52 if I were to buy a pistol in this calibre.

Winnie,

It's not for TR but for owning and shooting it here.I would keep something nicer for TR.Hopefully.

Best-
Vikram

[xl_target]

It's not for TR but for owning and shooting it here.I would keep something nicer for TR.Hopefully.

So Vikram, does this mean you aren't planning on coming home right away? At least for a year or two?

[Vikram]

So Vikram, does this mean you aren't planning on coming home right away? At least for a year or two?

Please check your PM.

Best-
Vikram

[timmy]

XL: Sorry for the late reply; things have been a bit hectic, as my daughter (who owns the business) is off on vacation and I'm "in charge".

Anyway, on to more pleasant topics...

"Tactical Tupperware" -- I like it! No, I'm not opposed to it at all, especially when the wear surfaces are conditioned as you mention. Rather, I see that as an advancement provided by technology! If it is durable and doesn't inhibit the ability to fire and feed, I would be all for it.

After you educated me awhile back on S&W's about-face on RKBA, I did look at their offerings and now I see I need to refresh the gray cells on their products. My idea was to accept the compromise (from my perspective) of going from the 45 ACP down to the 9mm P in order to gain something more compact. One place I probably need to start is reviewing the penalty paid in 9mm P that results from short barrels, short being 2" or 3". Somewhere along the line, it would be my perception that shortening a barrel with such a high pressure round would reach a point where bullseye-type powders can't compensate, and very little can be gained over a 380.

The analogy I'd draw here would be with snubby revolvers. As I see it, the purpose of a snubbie would be light weight and concealability. So, when comparing a 2" 38 Spl to a 2½" 357, I think that the extra bulk and weight required of the 357 large frame does not gain me enough in the 2½" over the 38 snubby.

So I am guessing that I'm looking for a 4" to 5" barrel 9mm P with staggered magazine with at least 10 rounds, and if there's a polymer frame that offers light weight with not-too-much bulk, so much the better.

I will check out the S&W to see how this stacks up with the others that you've mentioned.

Again, thanks for your time and effort on this!

(Frankly, I think your viewpoints have a lot of forum value beyond just me!)

[Vikram]

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