Need Detail info on selecting Pistol.

[viks4guns]

dude....just go for the .32 revolver or pistol from any of the ordnance factories in india...its a safe bet..u dont have to got war man...!!!!

[Subal das]

not only caliber is important in hand gun, much more important to learn how to shoot and properly operate the gun in life situation. two by barrel and one by sights from .22lr will have very good stopping power. two by barrel in chest and one by sights in a head. all such things will be much more easy to learn with .22lr and amo will not cost you fortune.
I believe in Bangalore some guys even running some training courses.

[grewal]

I would like to work in the German way of Project Management.

before entering into new project I want to have the detail plan with me.

There is nothing called "Mugnum" as far as the ammo goes (even in Germany ) !

Rp yaar kay kartay ho , in Jermnay it is mug num only.

rule 1 no German plan will survive when comes into contact with the babus.

KAlki ji come down to earth, and get a licence first. cause till the time one ends up getting a licence ( if incase you end up getting up) all the jerman plans will be gone .

[OverUnderPump]

.45 is NP Bore.

Its Non Prohibited in Mumbai ONLY(dont ask me why), for the rest of the country its a Prohibited Bore.
That said; the PB/NPB rule is a load of Bollocks.

My only suggestion would be to go for a caliber for which:
1.Ammo is readily available in India.
2.Does not cost an arm and a leg to buy ammo.

The more practice you get in with your gun, the better.
A gun is only as good as the person handling it, is an oft repeated phrase that I'd quote.

Oh and in case you didnt' realise it; IOF is our manna from heaven, stick with it.

regards

OUP

[SYED833]

@ kalki..
hi,,first thing you need to worry about is to secure a licence.,which is not so easy now a days..not unless you have some influence politically..i have been chasing my licence application for 6 months now.,still no end in sight..this is the situation with money involved.{vitamin M to babus.}..so, after you get the licence, the sky is the limit as far as prices go for foreign guns..
good luck..
syed.

[kalki]

Dear The Doc,

Sorry for the typo mistake. Yes.. it's .357 Magnum..and it's not for auto-loading.. you are correct.........

I would like to go for .357 SIG.

(Refer : table in : http://38super.net/Pages/comparisons.html)

And last of all..I appreciate your German language skill!

@ nagarifle,

No plan will work in front of INDIAN Babus..(IAS/IPS).... I know this very well......(I WAS attached to IA for some time...long ago)

That why INDIA is a country full of JUNK.

@ goodboy_mentor,

Thanks a lot for your detail reply, time and effort.

I totally agree with you and hamiclar01.

The point is :
1> I donot want to compromise (Iike indian babus) in security.....
2> I donot trust IOF.
3> Donot have so much money to spent on this.

(These are all my personal opinion). Feel free to dis-agree.

I donot understand why GOI donot allow to buy good products from outside if it is not there in the country.

A Smith & Wesson M&P .357 Sig. cost : $727.00 * (INR 37000 approx.)

regards,

-- Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:23 pm --

Dear The Doc,

Sorry for the typo mistake. Yes.. it's .357 Magnum..and it's not for auto-loading.. you are correct.........

I would like to go for .357 SIG.

(Refer : table in : http://38super.net/Pages/comparisons.html)

And last of all..I appreciate your German language skill!

@ nagarifle,

No plan will work in front of INDIAN Babus..(IAS/IPS).... I know this very well......(I WAS attached to IA for some time...long ago)

That why INDIA is a country full of JUNK.

@ goodboy_mentor,

Thanks a lot for your detail reply, time and effort.

I totally agree with you and hamiclar01.

The point is :
1> I donot want to compromise (Iike indian babus) in security.....
2> I donot trust IOF.
3> Donot have so much money to spent on this.

(These are all my personal opinion). Feel free to dis-agree.

I donot understand why GOI donot allow to buy good products from outside if it is not there in the country.

A Smith & Wesson M&P .357 Sig. cost : $727.00 * (INR 37000 approx.)

regards,

-- Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:26 pm --

Dear The Doc,

Sorry for the typo mistake. Yes.. it's .357 Magnum..and it's not for auto-loading.. you are correct.........

I would like to go for .357 SIG.

(Refer : table in : http://38super.net/Pages/comparisons.html)

And last of all..I appreciate your German language skill!

@ nagarifle,

No plan will work in front of INDIAN Babus..(IAS/IPS).... I know this very well......(I WAS attached to IA for some time...long ago)

That why INDIA is a country full of JUNK.

@ goodboy_mentor,

Thanks a lot for your detail reply, time and effort.

I totally agree with you and hamiclar01.

The point is :
1> I donot want to compromise (Iike indian babus) in security.....
2> I donot trust IOF.
3> Donot have so much money to spent on this.

(These are all my personal opinion). Feel free to dis-agree.

I donot understand why GOI donot allow to buy good products from outside if it is not there in the country.

A Smith & Wesson M&P .357 Sig. cost : $727.00 * (INR 37000 approx.)

regards,

-- Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:26 pm --

Dear The Doc,

Sorry for the typo mistake. Yes.. it's .357 Magnum..and it's not for auto-loading.. you are correct.........

I would like to go for .357 SIG.

(Refer : table in : http://38super.net/Pages/comparisons.html)

And last of all..I appreciate your German language skill!

@ nagarifle,

No plan will work in front of INDIAN Babus..(IAS/IPS).... I know this very well......(I WAS attached to IA for some time...long ago)

That why INDIA is a country full of JUNK.

@ goodboy_mentor,

Thanks a lot for your detail reply, time and effort.

I totally agree with you and hamiclar01.

The point is :
1> I donot want to compromise (Iike indian babus) in security.....
2> I donot trust IOF.
3> Donot have so much money to spent on this.

(These are all my personal opinion). Feel free to dis-agree.

I donot understand why GOI donot allow to buy good products from outside if it is not there in the country.

A Smith & Wesson M&P .357 Sig. cost : $727.00 * (INR 37000 approx.)

regards,

-- Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:30 pm --

Dear The Doc,

Sorry for the typo mistake. Yes.. it's .357 Magnum..and it's not for auto-loading.. you are correct.........

I would like to go for .357 SIG.

(Refer : table in : http://38super.net/Pages/comparisons.html)

And last of all..I appreciate your German language skill!

@ nagarifle,

No plan will work in front of INDIAN Babus..(IAS/IPS).... I know this very well......(I WAS attached to IA for some time...long ago)

That why INDIA is a country full of JUNK.

@ goodboy_mentor,

Thanks a lot for your detail reply, time and effort.

I totally agree with you and hamiclar01.

The point is :
1> I donot want to compromise (Iike indian babus) in security.....
2> I donot trust IOF.
3> Donot have so much money to spent on this.

(These are all my personal opinion). Feel free to dis-agree.

I donot understand why GOI donot allow to buy good products from outside if it is not there in the country.

A Smith & Wesson M&P .357 Sig. cost : $727.00 * (INR 37000 approx.)

regards,

-- Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:31 pm --

sorry for the many same post.

[grewal]

The point is :
1> I donot want to compromise (Iike indian babus) in security.....
2> I donot trust IOF.
3> Donot have so much money to spent on this.

what's your experience regarding IOF products. Please do enlighten us that what made you think like that.

I would like to go for .357 SIG.

And how do you plan to do that. Do you know the difference between .357 and .357 sig. How can you buy .357sig in India .I think you might not find a single .357 sig in entire india. Now dont ask why cause you seem o have a vast experience in firearms

That why INDIA is a country full of JUNK.

what have you done to improve this situation.

[Subal das]

hard to disagree,any one need reliable hand gun for self defense, especially would be great if you no need spend much of hard earned.$$$

that is why girls keeps sugar under pillow, want to see sweet dream

[goodboy_mentor]

1> I donot want to compromise (Iike indian babus) in security.....

Nobody wants to compromise on security. But the main question is what are the available options? BTW are you seeking handgun for carrying along with you, or for home defense? If for home defense, there is nothing like a shotgun. No handgun can compare itself with shotgun for this purpose. .22 or .32 are good enough at close ranges, if the shot is accurately placed.

2> I donot trust IOF.

Many people do not trust, your views gets confirmed by this http://indiansforguns.com/viewtopic.php ... 15#p107564
Even our politicians do not trust IOF, that is why they clamor for "foreign made arms, you can read this: http://indiansforguns.com/viewtopic.php ... 84#p118794
Unfortunately "We the people of India" and the armed forces have to be contend with IOF.

3> Donot have so much money to spent on this.

Then be happy with IOF products.

I donot understand why GOI donot allow to buy good products from outside if it is not there in the country.

The official reason is terrorism and "national security". Unofficial and the real reason is to protect IOF from competition otherwise the IOF employees will get laid. How will IOF make profits by selling over priced products of variable quality? A simple fact to be understood is that if someone has been issued a firearm license, he is anyways going to have a firearm. How does it matter if he buys a foreign made one or buys from IOF? Everyone knows that terrorism, insurgency etc. is not going on with licensed firearms, neither are such people lining up at licensing authorities to obtain arms licenses. They have all manner of latest automatic firearms, rockets propelled grenades, mortars, landmines etc. etc. for which licenses are not issued.

In my opinion, "We the people of India" are suffering from all these kind of absurdities of bureaucrats because by and large "We the people of India" are not aware that RKBA is our fundamental right http://indiansforguns.com/viewtopic.php ... 15#p117785

[Amit357]

Hi Doc Gutten one on the writeup,the Desert Eagle is gone at 5 + what the Chandigarh based dealer was offering,hope you are talking about the one with two spare barrels,was getting it for 20 an year back and i was laughing all the way home ,kalki import of anyfirearm leaving aside for reputed shooters and transfer of residence cases is banned,we have had about a 100 odd discussions on the same.There was a Pistol a Walther PPKs in th 32 posted in the BUY/SELL section.Please go through the same and please dont think that we guys have Money Plants which have Rs 1000 as leave who would be paying through our a***** for a good handgun/rifle/shotgun.Here an imported Air rifles, the common ones, cost more then a Remington 700 CDLs or XHR series in US.
PS;357 Mags are not a PB all over india,(leaving aside Maharastra and i think AP, there you have the 45s and the 38 Specials which do work as good as anyother caliber in self protection as NP Bore) ,its NPB all over ,but you will be able to get through all the info once your Arms licence is with you

[edgaringoa]

Hope this helps you:-
1) Get an application form from the Collector's (District Magistrate) office. Rs 20 or 50/-
2) Fill in the relevant details and apply for NP bore only.
3) Attach the relevant documents required by the DM's office (birth certificate, Income tax returns, proof of business/profession,4 photos) and state the reason for what you would like to possess a weapon eg:-self defense, job requirement,crop protection, etc)
4) Your application is then sent to the District Police Headquarters within whose jurisdiction you reside.
5) You will be called by the Writer of the relevant Police Dept to note down your statement and need for a licence.
6) You will be required to attend an interview by the District Suptd of Police.
7) The Sp's remarks carry a lot of weight so I hope you have no record of any sort.
Upon Sp's recommendation the files moves back to the DM's office and you will be called for an interview wherein you will have to state your need for a weapon and convince the DM. Its best to have a person who liaisons with the DM and Police,otherwise you could end up making 100 trips.
9) Upon the license being granted you are given 1 year to purchase your weapon. Usually people go for IOF weapons just to keep the license active. Thereafter, they look for weapons of their choice.
10) Once you decide to purchase a weapon from the Arms dealer you have to submit your licence to him for endorsement of Purchase. Within 15 days you have to register the weapon with the DM's office and the Office of the local Police Inspector.
11) Thereafter use the weapon with a lot of care and wisdom. Keep it out of sight from people who could make false complaints against you in order to cancel your license.
12) Store Ammo and weapon seperately as a safety measure. Kids can do unimaginable things when unsupervised. Owning a weapon is a BIG BIG responsibility.
Goodluck
Regards,
Edgar

[grewal]

2> I donot trust IOF.

Many people do not trust, your views gets confirmed by this viewtopic.php?f=21&t=10529&start=15#p107564
Even our politicians do not trust IOF,

why are we using the term "TRUST". Why is everyone saying that you cannot trust IOF products. I know there are certain quality problems, but do that makes them untrust worthy. Well according to me people do not like them because of their crude look , so the problem is regarding the quality issues. How do people come to this conclusion that they are not trust worthy. Don't we have misfires with imported weapons. It's not that I am an advocate of IOF products , but Its that we associate the term " not trust worthy" so generously that it helps every newcomer to make an opinion about IOF products. They are a bit hard to operate, a bit crude in appearance, might not have the looks of a beauty but but that doesn't make them untrust worthy. What is the prime reason to keep a weapon?. It is to protect our self at the time of distress. And I know that at night time when I travel with my family my Mark3 is loaded and always ready to protect me. I have firm faith that out of those 6 bullets even one will be good enough to protect me. Second thing is that you need to have strong hands to handle an IOF revolver , but in-case you don't have that strength, you cannot blame the weapon.

[Subal das]

Valuable information and excellent post you got here! I would like to
thank you for sharing your thoughts and time into the stuff you post!!
Thumbs up! Big thanks for the useful info.,



Option Poppers

BAN HER !!! she is not a human she is a robot

[The Doc]

Kalki,
Here is something that you might like (and dream about) ...........


http://www.weapon.ge/index.php?sel=1&id=190&l=en

Just motivating you to apply for a firearm license mate .

the Desert Eagle is gone at 5 + what the Chandigarh based dealer was offering,hope you are talking about the one with two spare barrels,was getting it for 20 an year back and i was laughing all the way home

So the Desert Eagle went for 35L .
Well both the buyer and the seller would be celebrating ( for different reasons I am sure ).

best,
Rp

[Amit357]

Hi Rajesh, nice looking firearm,hope its motivation enough for Kalki ,now please post something which i imagine would be as motivating for Mr P.C to go easy on the Arms Act. Photos/videos of an AK 47 toting Kasab is no good for P C.