Precihole Offerings

[bodhijobs]

This reminds me of what happens to guns like Talon and Condor where you can regulate power.

Talon/Condor can shoot at 600 fps as well as 1400 fps. What will be the reaction of the babus?

[SriramK]

Don't let them catch wind of it. They'll bring out a specific clause for that, which will come into action in twenty years when the production of the actual rifle has long ceased. Till then you'll be jailed and free at the same time under the same law.

[tiwariarrun]

Gentlemen,

What if your .177 cal 4,5mm pistol or a rifle fails deal-wood test? What firearm lic do you need?

[SriramK]

I was reading about calibers and came across this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_mm_caliber

The license would extend to anything if needed afaik. (By needed I mean requested for multiple times over the course of tens of years)

[mundaire]

In case your airgun fails the deal wood test - you need need to apply for an arms license in form III, and in the category you will enter "air-rifle"/ "airgun" - may sound funny, but IT IS a legal requirement!

Even if the deal wood test is not conducted by the authorities, if you conduct it (the deal wood test) on your own and your airgun fails the test you would be obliged to get the required license.

Almost all air-pistols, except for a select few (mostly custom made ones) would pass the test without any problems as they usually produce less than 6 ft/ lbs of ME. On the other hand many of the modern air-rifles would fail the test.

BTW AFAIK "deal wood" is not the name of timber from any particular tree, it is a generic term used for soft wood timber.

Cheers!
Abhijeet

[tiwariarrun]

Thanks for such a useful piece of info, Abhijeet.

[pratik_mahale]

Desecration is informative but going off topic

[tiwariarrun]

What's going off topic, Pratik? Just trying to understand a few points from Abhijeet? Are you moderator or something like that? Or do we come to the main topic and conduct deal-wood tests at Precihole factory? I am thinking about it buddy.

[bodhijobs]

What's going off topic, Pratik? Just trying to understand a few points from Abhijeet? Are you moderator or something like that? Or do we come to the main topic and conduct deal-wood tests at Precihole factory? I am thinking about it buddy.

Conduct deal wood tests at Precihole factory? hmmm...why not...going by the specs of Precihole, it will sure pass the deal wood test with flying colors.

I did once check a HW80 on a wooden board about 3/4th inch and the pellet didnt go through (HW80 does about 850-870 fps on 8.18 grains H&N/Mastershot wads), so if the Precihole is advertised to what it is, then it shouldn't be a problem at all.

Regards
BD

[airgun_novice]

This reminds me of what happens to guns like Talon and Condor where you can regulate power.

Talon/Condor can shoot at 600 fps as well as 1400 fps. What will be the reaction of the babus?

So people ordering Condor/ Talon from abroad would technically be on the verge of committing a crime since they have not done the deal test. So do they apply for .177 license before or after they receive the Condor/ Talon in their hands ?

Oh Boy ! Thank Gods, I have the Pegasus which has police clearance. Surely the PC has had the deal test done before granting clearance. BTW, I noticed that PH had several wooden square pieces 12"X 12" X 1" in their test zone. So presumably PH has had the deal wood test done over and over before marketing the product to Indian market.

Thank you Abhijeet for clearing the air on deal wood test - I can now sleep peacefully knowing that I did not get a raw deal.

[Biren]

There was claim that it cannt be further tuned.. then it can be tuned.. then 12 fts.. now it has police clearence ... what to talk abt a company which till two weeks back didt have vat registration.. donnt know if it has on date... where the designer was shown putting screws on air guns.... ....and next we have advise on member complain advise to tighten screws..... compared to BMW... but no mannual.... Mundaire ohh wise... thanks for showing the mirror to those who till two days back were not aware of deal wood test and were talking of 12fts.. now talking about police clearence.. and x by x wodden pieces..... Wat going on... manufacturer is silent... ppl who claim to no have association vd the company make tall claims on behalf of company...Precholie....

Cheers
Biren

[AbbasRiz]

Dear Pratik Mahale and Airgun_novice,
*** Ever since the PH Air Rifles have been launched , you never miss to reply to queries, suggestions, comments directed towards these ARs.
*** Although your prompt replies enlightened us a lot, some of the members have started thinking that you fellows are promoting these ARs.
*** They think that they have valid reasons to doubt. They say that VAT registration was got ( or is still pending ??? ) just 1 or 2 weeks ago, but you fellows ( at least 6 or 7 persons) have received your ARs at least 2 months ago. Precihole could not have sold the Air Rifles ( through legal Invoice) to you fellows withour VAT or Excise registration.
***This reasoning gives them a strong point that at least 6 or 7 persons received these Air Rifles as free samples ( or as gifts ) on promises that even a single chance will not be missed to promote PH and its ARs.
*** We are aware that you people repeatedly assure forum members that you people do not have any personal interest in PH. Some members believe in your repeated assurances but some do not.
*** Now the best way to clear the fog around the whole misunderstanding is this ; just to prove that you people have really purchased those Precihole Air Rifles ( and not received them as gifts or free sample ), you people can scan the original Purchase Invoice, issued by the seller, and post them here.
*** This way you can be able to shut the mouth of those suspecting members who think that you people are promoting PH and their ARs.
Regards,
Abbas

[airgun_novice]

Dear Abbas et al,

Been travelling - hence late in reply. Will be travelling again - hence may not log in till almost EOM. Anyway,

1. Not missing to answer -> Jerks (not directed towards you) do not dictate what I write or not. As owners and those with hands-on experience people can write about PH ARs. That applies to just about everyone. Do not think that only 5-6 PH ARs are sold... Why others do not write is well, up to them. For those who write, it's their right.

2. Not knowing Deal wood test -> Thanking Abhijeet for giving extra gyaan for benefit of everyone who can read does not tantamount to being absolutely ignorant of the fact. May be the finer details, not the fact. Anyway foxes can drool at grapes claiming they are sour or keep licking their cut tails and bark about how nice it is not to have one. Their choice.

3. Agents -> Myaan that's the best Agent-Vinod (Vinod= JOKE). Pratik, Brih, Self (AGN) have written about IHPs as well - no one thought or claimed we were agents of IHP etc. ??? We are all owners - I am a latest addition to the august club. Check out what lazybones has to say. I also happened to show my Pegasus to an interanationally trained coach, a national shooting champion in his own right and an international shooter currently in India. They were impressed with the AR. Surely, all these folks are not falling head over heals to get themselves branded as PH agents or seek a free piece ! Then the Co would have to shut the shop if it goes about giving freebies.

4. VAT/ Taxes etc -> Can someone tell me how much IHP or SDB or Kolkatta-based gun runners have been paying in terms of taxes ? Has anyone bothered to check if the gunsmiths have been paying VAT for every AR they tune ? Now do not get me wrong - [Removed a particular reference after this gentleman called me and we spoke and this reference could have inadvertently caused some embarassment to him- AGN] The point I was trying to make is I do not tell people how to run their business - I mind my own.

5. RECEIPTS -> How do we know that any person making tall claims has actually seen a receipt from PH that shows that no taxes have been paid. How do we know the persons who are out to malign PH do not have vested interests and have not formed a cartel ??? This is the scenario: PH -> Dealers -> Buyers The user shall give his money to the DEALER and pick up the AR from the DEALER. So whose receipt should fall into the User hands ? PH's or DEALER's ? Come on, even kids can understand this. So let the VAT-waiters seek out VAT # of the person they buy from, what say ? FAIR ???

6. Mannuals -> Like I said the mannuals were published around 9-ratri and I was among the first ones to get it. Those who do not have - check with your dealers or talk to the company . I have already made that clear to Jignesh as that's his right. So here's one question or two to the "cry-babies" (Mundaire Sir, I know you have your hands full with the one 'munda' that runs to you every now and then. That actually reminds me of Mahabharat where Arjun had to hide behind someone to launch arrows at Pratik, err, Bhishma. ) and their nannies -
1. Have you purchased (Do you OWN) a PH AR and do not have a mannual ?
2. Have you asked your outlet (dealer) about it ?
3. Has the dealer said that the Co is not giving the mannual or the warranty card ?
4. Have you connected with PH wrt MANNUAL & WARRANTY CARD post 9-ratri-Dasara ?
5. Did PH tell you that they are gonna give the mannual/ card only to a few IFGians like AGN/ Pratik/ Brih etc ? BTW I do know for fact that apart from me - the "Ones Who Write" (Boy! We sound like Lord Voldemort) do NOT have things like Mannual or Warranty Card - BUT THEY HAVE RECEIPTS SHOWING TAXES PAID OUT. How do I know ? I *KNOW* these fine gentlemen and have seen their receipts. And I am gonna pick up the mannuals for them since I stay close - not that they need the mannual. They are all good marksmen. Oh yes - AK49, Brihji, EssDee1972, FF2003, AGN, Pratik_Mahale are all from same city and meet socially from time to time and are good friends with each other and with the designer who is a fine gentlemen and a fantastic thinker and enjoys a great respect and reputation with India's cream of shooters and also with international companies. So he does not need to play dirty promotional games. They all have their own jobs and families to take care of than act as sales agents. They are all passionate about shooting with their ARs. Between them they have an assortment of IHP/ SDB/ Shanghai products in .177 and .22 cal. They have hands on experience with their ARs (and thus know what they talk about) and have tuned them for performance (speed and accuracy). ALL of them are well-known cross-threads, cross-forums and cross-cities because of their honesty and passion with AR/ AP and other things (like blades, photography, other interests etc.) And (now, since I have possession of mine) they are all proud owners of "PH Offerings".
6. I own 2 IHP products and have the receipts for their purchase but neither show the breakdown of taxes paid. Does anyone have a receipt from a DEALER of IHP or SDB or AGNI that shows taxes paid by those respective *companies* ?

7. Gifts -> I have a pucca receipt which I am not going to publish. Rest assured that the receipt has a breakdown of VAT/ Excise/ Edu Cess etc. Also see #6.5 above.

Now just as it makes you think that a few have been granted favors by PH - why does it not make you think that a few have formed cartel and have vested interests in anhilating PH from market (not that they would succeed) ? Just as you look at a few who respond to query wrt PH - look at the names of those who keep spewing poison against it ? Is it possible that a few of "them" are just one entity operating under different handles ? Is it possible that the one would use multiple devices (and hence MAC or MP #s) with different ISPs to avoid IP mapping by IFG moderators ??? I see why not.

My personal opinion and 2 cents worth contribution ... as always.

Now off to New Delhi and Punjab. Won't have internet access nor shall want one. Just chilling out...

[tiwariarrun]

These guys have got all the insider news right from the thought behind the name PRECIHOLE to each and every thing thats been happening in the factory or with the brand.

[airgun_novice]

These guys have got all the insider news right from the thought behind the name PRECIHOLE to each and every thing thats been happening in the factory or with the brand. I don't think as a buyer I ever got to know if there are any deal-wood tests happening in the factory, or how many inches targets have they kept to conduct deal wood tests. Also as a user I don't thing I'll have access to factory news on its happening. There's are some pics posted where some air gun expert is assembling the gun with his own hands. May be he forgot to fill-in some screws in some.

The guys organised IFG Meet in Pune at a stud farm where a day rent is so high. I am sure it was Precihole initiative. May be they had some idea to promote the rifle, and try to sell it there. And the funniest part is, they have been acting like company's advocates. So damn funny these kids are.

Anyone who read the PH thread(s) must have noted that the folks who have been priviledged to visit PH factory have not denied it. Those who have actually held and/ or owned Orion/ Pegasus or Club have also not denied it.

Has anyone - AS A USER - asked for permission to visit the PH factory and been denied ? In any case, it's Compnay's prerogative on whom to allow through their doors. Let the aspersions be cast by those OWNING PH ARs if they have had issues.

IFG Meet has been conducted at Japaloupe (where one day's rent is too high) in the past before even PH AR was conceptualized. Owner of that facility is an IFGian. In fact he uses the same handle. IFG has also been organized at Balewadi Complex in the past where one day's rent is still too much higher. All this was possible due to some IFGians who have aided and are active in the sport of shooting and also involved in other sports. They were also responsible in helping the MH govt in setting up the Complex in the first place and running it. That's the measurement of integrity and authenticty of the folks who repose high faith in the victims of deliberate & maligning attacks from such detractors. There, now one can see the hollow point coming from rounded flatheads who lie (pun here) sulking and licking their festering bruises. Such folks should be aware of the facts and not keep shooting from between the bum cheeks simply because one's full of air.

"These funny" guys have answered - now let "those " guys prove themselves. Don't you think those interested in only mud-slinging & dirtying up the IFG waters can stay off the PH related topic(s) as advised by XL_Target ?