Indians For Guns

Dear friends,

With the advent of new Companies launching their products in rapid succession, wanted to know which is the best Indian made revolver as on date.

Thanks and with best wishes always,

Chicky

chicky wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 03, 2024 7:52 pm

Dear friends,

With the advent of new Companies launching their products in rapid succession, wanted to know which is the best Indian made revolver as on date.

Thanks and with best wishes always,

Chicky

Best Indian revolver would be the early models made in 2002 time period by IOF

I am excited about the launch of the new JD Taurus revolver , probably soon , looks to be a winner. Anyone know when exactly ?
This brings to my next question, is the revolver still relevant ? since pistols are more sophisticated and are better looking and carry more cartridges and are easily reloaded able.

Best wishes to all
Chicky

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Best Indian revolver would be the early models made in 2002 time period by IOF
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Agreed!
Actually I had experience of this IOF field gun factory kanpur made revolver mark-1 in 2005. This revolver had hammer with fire pin within it and also 'KAMANI' for tension in place of spring. Out of 40-50 fires not a single shot missed. While iof model like mark-3 had seperate fire pin and 'SPRING' tension which produces missed fire often.
Based on such experience I can recommend webley revolver which has same fire pin (joint with hammer) design and Assuming 'KAMANI' for producing tension power to hammer.
Regards

The problem with .32 revolver is that its ammo burns very dirty.

pokhar wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 10, 2024 11:47 pm

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Best Indian revolver would be the early models made in 2002 time period by IOF

Agreed!
Actually I had experience of this IOF field gun factory kanpur made revolver mark-1 in 2005. This revolver had hammer with fire pin within it and also 'KAMANI' for tension in place of spring. Out of 40-50 fires not a single shot missed. While iof model like mark-3 had seperate fire pin and 'SPRING' tension which produces missed fire often.
Based on such experience I can recommend webley revolver which has same fire pin (joint with hammer) design and Assuming 'KAMANI' for producing tension power to hammer.
Regards
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what is this 'KAMANI' that you mentioned? Can you please provide more details

Please find below image for reference.
Coil spring (image1 and 2) is common now in iof mark-3 onwards revolver while leaf spring (called KAMANI in general terms in hindi) is at image-3 was being used in earlier mark 1 model. Aa per my experience mark 1 never failed when fired due to more power in hammer action because of this leaf spring. To make softer the trigger pulling action they changed the spring. I might be wrong but it was my experience with both mark 1 and mark 3 revolver of IOF.
Thanks.

Thanks for sharing the details. If I understand correctly, the coil spring is a more recent design and supposed to be more advanced (better) ?

pokhar wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 13, 2024 12:37 am

Please find below image for reference.
Coil spring (image1 and 2) is common now in iof mark-3 onwards revolver while leaf spring (called KAMANI in general terms in hindi) is at image-3 was being used in earlier mark 1 model. Aa per my experience mark 1 never failed when fired due to more power in hammer action because of this leaf spring. To make softer the trigger pulling action they changed the spring. I might be wrong but it was my experience with both mark 1 and mark 3 revolver of IOF.
Thanks.

Actually, in the picture, the pictures #1 and #2 are Rugers, and the #3 picture is a Colt.

The coil springs in the Rugers work fine. So does the leaf spring in the Colt.

Actually, a coil spring is simply a torsion bar wound into a helix.

Back 150 years ago, making a leaf spring that had the proper tension and didn't break was more of an art than a practiced science. Springs were expensive then, and part of designing durable guns was to minimize the number of springs in the gun, which made fewer points of failure and reduced the cost.

Coil springs were made from wire, and needed heat treating just like leaf springs, so were harder to work with in older guns. Look at the 1860s-1870s era, when single shot actions were being designed for the military. The Dutch Beaumont rifle even went so far as to use a leaf spring as the firing pin/striker mainspring -- it was housed in the hollow bolt handle!

The failure to fire was simply not even having the technical expertise or care to engineer a proper coil hammer spring for the guns mentioned. It's not a failure that is attributable to the coil vs leaf spring choice of design, although one would certainly steer clear of them if failure to fire in coil spring guns is true.

Mny leaf spring guns had a small screw at the base of the hammer spring, in the grip, above the screw that attached the hammer spring to the frame, so that spring tension could be fine tuned to provide enough power to set off the primer, but not have too much tension that would make the hammer hard to cock. The same might be achieved by shimming the hammer spring in a coil spring design.

All told, however, it is true that a leaf spring has a different feel than a coil spring, regardless of whether it works or not. This is one reason why a prefer old Colt double action revolvers over Smith & Wessons (which is opposite to what most people prefer).

The ancient Webley design had its place back in 1900, but soon after, competing designs made it obsolete way back then. The Webley design is not safe with a live cartridge carried under the hammer, and must only be carried with five rounds. They are about as practical to carry as driving a Model T from Delhi to Bengaluru is. Sure, it can be done, but with modern alternatives available, why would one want to do so? When one considers the workmanship of the guns available today, this is especially true.

Of course, one could always carry a couple of Blackbeard the pirate's flintlock pistols, too.

He is not a person you would want to take advise from on firearms. Watching him flick the cylinder shut is painful.

Yes , he's slightly immature but it was the weapons available and the ones coming soon that I was intending to show .

rahulbdelhi wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 13, 2024 6:10 pm

Thanks for sharing the details. If I understand correctly, the coil spring is a more recent design and supposed to be more advanced (better) ?

Leaf spring gives light trigger pull and coil spring’s trigger is hard so instead of improving, iof actually degraded their product.