Indians For Guns

Can somebody throw some light on luger pistols, are they not good enough?

Lugers are the epitome of german ingenuity in design and craftmanship. What do you mean by are they not good enough? Who or what makes you think so.

Jonah

jonahpach wrote:Lugers are the epitome of german ingenuity in design and craftmanship. What do you mean by are they not good enough? Who or what makes you think so.

Jonah

Regret if i have offended you. i don't think they are not good, rather curious as to why no one discuss it. Is it available in npb of India.

IMHO 9x19mm Parabellum is a PB calibre (probably the 7.65x21 too), so too the .45ACP (albeit a rarity for the Luger). The only pieces available are in India are old ones, allowed as family heirlooms.

It was a good but too complex a pistol which was sensitive to the elements, prone to malfunction and a pain to maintain. The Germans themselves preferred the much easier P 38 instead. Of course, originals are very collectible, and the prime target for booty by US infantrymen.

hamiclar01 wrote:IMHO 9x19mm Parabellum is a PB calibre (probably the 7.65x21 too), so too the .45ACP (albeit a rarity for the Luger)

I would love to own an all steel, 6" barrel, Stoeger Luger in .22LR. .If wishes were horses ......

best,
Rp.

The Luger was the standard issue to German officers in WW1 & 2. As per all reviews, an excellent piece of engineering!! But (like most of the otherwise excellent German weapons of WW2, e.g. MP38, Me109, Ju87, Tiger and Panther tanks, etc.) very complex with very fine tolerances. The German Wehrmacht and Waffen SS units were issued Walther P38 later in the war.

Allied soldiers in both wars, however, considered the Luger as prime booty, as hamiclar01 says, and some accounts (as far as I remember) speak of American officers buying Lugers in the '60s for use in Vietnam! (or maybe they inherited the piece from their dad, who got it from a dead German ). The Wikipedia entry on Luger has good details.

@ Hamiclar, wouldn't a Luger be a good gun for a civilian, as civilians would not be (typically) encountering the kind of dust, heat, snow, etc., which a soldier would? Also the time available for cleaning, maintenance would be more, not to speak of the far less usage. (Well.... if it were not PB.......).

They were also produced by Mauser till 1986 (mostly commemorative models). As far as I remember, there was also an American copy called "American Eagle" or something. (Ran into this on the internet a few years back, can't find it now).

Cheers!

EssDee

now i see why there is hardly any discussion of luger in ifg. so luger is a white elephant.

essdee1972 wrote: (like most of the otherwise excellent German weapons of WW2, e.g. MP38, Me109, Ju87, Tiger and Panther tanks, etc.)

Maybe off topic....but a Ju87 an excellent weapon of war?

Definitely not a white elephant in my opinion. We arn't talking much about sig 226 or even the glock for for that matter due to the simple fact that they are beyond our reach. Have seen a few luger copies in .22 but those too are beyond my reach.

Jonah

hamiclar01 wrote:

essdee1972 wrote: (like most of the otherwise excellent German weapons of WW2, e.g. MP38, Me109, Ju87, Tiger and Panther tanks, etc.)

Maybe off topic....but a Ju87 an excellent weapon of war?

definitely off topic but it was an excellent weapon of war, when it was on the side that had air superiority. By itself, unescorted, it was a sitting duck, especially later in the war. It however did well on the Eastern front as it wasn't till the end of the war that the Russian air force was able to achieve air superiority in that theater. If you ever get a chance, read "Stuka Pilot" by Hans Ulrich Rudel"; a great book describing the spectacular exploits of an exceptional individual.
http://www.amazon.com/Stuka-Pilot-Hans- ... 0887402526

On the Luger; hamiclar01 pretty much described it in a nutshell.

It was a good but too complex a pistol which was sensitive to the elements, prone to malfunction and a pain to maintain.

The general advice was not to carry it with a round chambered but even after saying all that, I wouldn't mind one.

complex or not but certaimly a heavy thing to carry ;my cousin has it does not want to part with it ; i tried once it has avery powerful hitting power; like chinese.30 orcolt 380; but inthese times it certainly is the type of a gun to carry ;if you have options and the money try as powerful a colt 380 or allama 380 an argentanian beauty one my friend has in 380 . it is abeuty inshape use and easy to carry; but luger if you like and can manage is like mauser 30 alittle smaller but hitting is as good ;lately amauser rpeapter is available in my nephews connection. certainly one of rarity; in class also abutt can be added . in the end why not a short barrel rifle. your views please. hornet.

jonahpach wrote:Definitely not a white elephant in my opinion. We arn't talking much about sig 226 or even the glock for for that matter due to the simple fact that they are beyond our reach. Have seen a few luger copies in .22 but those too are beyond my reach.

Jonah

Did you said Luger look alike .22 .... ie our NPB.... pl more info make, cost range even if its beyond our reach.

hornet wrote:lately amauser rpeapter is available in my nephews connection.

I think by mauser repeater you mean a mauser pistol which has a selector switch (to control the rate of fire) to its left. Is it made in Germany or Spain and what is the cost ?

in class also abutt can be added .

Artillery Luger (issued to German Artillery officers) could have a butt attached. See Wikipedia entry for Luger.

@ hamiclar and xl_target (following up on the off topic part), let's meet up sometime and have a chat on Stukas, Tiger tanks, Lancasters, et al, preferably over a few glasses of amber liquid from Scotland!

Cheers!

EssDee

The Luger is an excellent pistol but suffered because it was expensive to produce because of the design and the extensive hand fitting, it was also a fine firearm requiring a little more care and cleanliness than other battle pistols. The name "Pistole Parabellum" means "Pistol for war".

The original chambering was the .30 Luger cartridge(also called 7.65mm Parabellum) a bottle neck cartridge about the same power as the 7.65mm Borschardt cartridge, which was more or less the predecessor to both the 7.63mm Mauser cartridge and the 7.62x25mm Tokarev cartridge . It is not a prohibited bore in India as noted by another member.

Later because the German military found the cartridge to be inadequate for their requirements, Georg Luger simply increased the bore diameter to 9mm and altered the chamber for the new shortened, straight walled (slightly tapered) cartridge. The breachface and other dimensions being kept the same, it was a cheap and easy modification, which ultimately resulted in the 9mm Parabellum cartridge, one of the biggest flukes of all time in my opinion.

Another reason quite a few shooters find it unreliable is that, most of them tend to use ammunition loaded to the modern American SAAMI pressure requirements shooting mostly 115gr. bullets to about 1250 fps. or thereabouts. The original loading that the Luger was designed for was slightly hotter and a heavier bullet IIRC, and so resulting in jamming or other problems, not because the design itself being flawed.

Regards,
Anand